. >> willfully lied about the bill. you know, washington's an odd town as both you and i know. people don't often use the "l" word for some reason. they don't often accuse people of lying. were you surprised that president obama said that? is it true? were gun groups lying about the bill? >> i'm not sure about that because, frankly, i didn't pay a great deal of attention. i'm very familiar with the issue, but i understand how the president felt very strongly. he was in newtown. he feels the suffering of the families and i can certainly understand, given his point of view, why the president got somewhat emotional. i'm joined by my friend senator schumer. a lot of people may not remember back in the 18th century senator schumer was the author of "the brady bill" one of the first bills that brought gun control in. >> applied to bows and arrows. >> yes. >> senator schumer, thanks for joining us. >> hi, jake. >> i want to talk to the two of you obviously about immigration reform, but before we turn to that subject, why do yo